Marilyn Manson in the News (July 1 - July 13, 2022) - Wikipedia Founder in Need of a Correction, An Irredeemable Twitter Thread, A Photographer That Gets It, Evan Rachel Wood's Middle School Revelations and her Cryptic Secret Messages to Marilyn Manson
Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, reposted on July 2nd Evan Rachel Wood's karaoke performance on The Tonight Show, and called her a "superstar", while for no real related reason making an underhanded comment that the Antichrist Superstar himself, Marilyn Manson, "is a pathetic loser."
I and other Manson supporters made this known to him on Twitter in the comments, and he showed how much of a "pathetic loser" he is by immediately blocking anyone who even so much as disagreed with his evaluation. In fact, he replied by blaming these comments on "incels" and "PR bots", as if no real person could possibly disagree with him. Anyone familiar with Jimmy Wales knows that he has such an overinflated ego that he is unable to take even the slightest criticism, and will often blame "bots" for being behind any comments that disagree with him or criticize his views. Such accusations are nothing new from Jimbo.
No doubt Jimbo himself is looking to make some good PR with the media, even though no media source as far as I know picked this story up. Why? Because he has his own scandals and bad reputation to worry about. The difference between his scandals and bad reputation with that of Marilyn Manson, is that his are based in reality.
Read the following link for a good introduction:
Criticism of Jimmy Wales
- A Dumb Marilyn Manson Thread Goes Viral on Twitter
Someone on Twitter who goes by the name of Kamilla, and had previously made a viral thread against Johnny Depp, decided to make another very misleading thread, where almost every sentence is false and based only on the contents of the documentary Phoenix Rising, with no indication that any other source of information on the case was used except for a few media articles. The problem with this is that it went viral, with over 100,000 "likes" last I checked. It even caught the attention of TMZ, who decided to report on it, and from there other media sources picked it up.
As I went to respond to her thread in order to address each point with some facts, I noticed she had her comments off, so I just retweeted it.
If she had not blocked me, I probably would have let it go, but since this viral thread had such a biased, one-sided, and all around horrible author behind it, I decided to expose the contents of our dialogue for all to see. Why? To drive her and her ardent followers to respond to my thread where I left the comments on, and reminding them how they should feel fortunate to be allowed to comment openly in a forum that is not afraid of challengers and haters, which is something hardly ever allowed by Evan supporters
When I saw this thread go viral, I was wondering why such a stupid thread with no substance was so popular, and when I provoked the people behind it I realized that it was mainly due to the fact that it was generated with bot activity, that no doubt brought on the interest of other curious people, as viral threads tend to do. This thread would not have gone viral if it were not for bot activity.
What I see is threads like this becoming the propaganda tactic of Evan Rachel Wood supporters. These threads are extremely closed off to any evidence, and just tell a story as if they contain the only factual information out there. My advice for people wanting to make Marilyn Manson supportive threads is to avoid this propaganda tactic. If a thread is made, it should be done by leading people to the various sources and research made about the case.
- A Photographer That Gets It
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette featured an interview on July 5th with local concert photographer Jason Nelson. When he was asked by the reporter what his most challenging shoots were, one of his two answers was Marilyn Manson. He said:
"Another challenging shoot would be Marilyn Manson. You always have to have your guard up because you never know what he’s going to do. I’ve had water bottles thrown at me, been spit on and even had handfuls of blue powder thrown at me while following a strict one-song limit. I will say, it’s been one of my favorite bands to photograph."
Podcrushed is described as the "podcast where Penn Badgley reads your middle school story — explores the heartbreak, anxiety and self-discovery of being a teen." And this is pretty much what we heard in this podcast where Evan Rachel Wood was interviewed. You can listen to the interview here, but below are the parts I found to be most interesting.
1. Evan goes into more detail here than anywhere about her first crush on a girl when she was 12 years old. She talks about kissing this girl and how this left her confused, not understanding why she was attracted to another girl. It didn't go beyond a few kisses, but soon after this other girl went on to date Evan's ex-boyfriend, and she would tag along on their dates as a third-wheel. What is missing from the story however is something she talked about in 2016 when she was more of an activist for bisexual awareness. Despite the new details of the story, she failed to admit this time, like she did in 2016, that her first attempt at suicide was after she kissed this other 12 year old girl. Back then, Evan would talk of this suicide attempt to drive home the point that she was very confused about her attraction to someone of the same sex. Now it seems like she doesn't acknowledge this part of the story.
2. Despite not talking about her alleged suicide attempt at 12, Evan does talk about when she first started self-harming at 13 and 14. Evan doesn't explain to us why she started self-harming, but it is implied there was a strain in her relationship with her mother. I do find it ironic, however, that at the same time she did a film, Thirteen, in which a pivotal scene shows her graphically cutting herself. Did she really self-harm, or does she fail here to separate fantasy from reality in regards to her movie role?
4. During this interview, Evan pulls out her "newly found journals" where she supposedly had recorded the events of her teenage years. She specifically does it to quote an excerpt from that time when she had a crush on Penn. I wouldn't be surprised if she did this just to make us believe these journals are real and the quote is something she wrote recently to add credibility to these journals. Those who have seen Phoenix Rising will remember these journals that Evan recently found from her teenage years, where she allegedly recorded all the details of her first encounters with Marilyn Manson, and uses them in the documentary to show she was being groomed. Whether they are real or not, I don't know, but I do have legitimate doubts.
It's pretty insane when you consider the facts above. First, if we are to believe her story, by the time Evan was 12, she already had an ex-boyfriend, made out with another girl, attempted suicide, and went on dates as a third-wheel with the both of them when they started hooking up. And second, during a time when she was self-harming, at the age of 14, she lived alone in an apartment with her 13 year old boyfriend that she dated for a couple of years. Evan often complains about growing up in a very strict home with her mother, in fact she repeats it in this podcast, and in a few interviews even admitted that she slept in the same bed as her mother until she was around 18. Until this podcast, one had a very different picture of what it was like for Evan growing up with her mother, but when you add these details you begin to believe that all these years you were mislead into thinking one way until you hear more of the story. One could only imagine what the truth is, which Evan has a real hard time expressing.
When the podcast was released, Evan posted these in her Instastories:
|Movie poster for Toby Dammit at Harvard University|
Since February, I have been talking about these creepy, cryptic secret messages based on the Fellini short film Toby Dammit that Evan Rachel Wood has been sending Marilyn Manson through her Instastories, which she would delete in less than an hour after posting. There have been three such creepy, cryptic secret messages. The first from February 21st I discuss here. The second from March 5th I discuss here. The third was the following photo of Toby Dammit himself from May 18th (if there were any more, I missed them):
1. Just a reminder, Toby Dammit, whose lead character is masterfully depicted by actor Terance Stamp, is one of the three short films of the movie Spirits of the Dead, and is not only one of Marilyn Manson's favorite films, as Twiggy Ramirez once said in an interview, and the name Toby Dammit is not only a secret alias of Marilyn Manson, as his assistant Paula Baby revealed in her first interview with Colonel Kurtz, but it is a film that has been deeply influential and inspiring to the persona of Marilyn Manson and is referenced by him many times.
For example, in one interview from 2015, Manson said the following about Toby Dammit:
Around a table, I'm usually the person that says the most out-of-place thing and sort of breaks the ice. I can say things other people wouldn't get away with because I'm wearing lipstick. It confuses the shit out of people, and I think confusing is just a good way to be. In Spirits of the Dead, Terence Stamp is very much a dandy, with a bleached blond shock of hair and this pancake makeup on, but he has this scruffy goatee, and it works for him. He says it perfectly in the movie: "Just masculine enough for men, just feminine enough for women." That really defines where I'm at.
2. Evan Rachel Wood was introduced to Toby Dammit through Marilyn Manson, and she took such a liking to it, that in September 2011, at the Venice Film Festival, where she was promoting Mildred Pierce and The Ides of March, she decided to dress in a style influenced by the character Toby Dammit. In an Italian article from that time, we read the following about Evan's homage to Toby Dammit and how much she impressed the Italian press with her enthusiasm for a beloved Italian film by a beloved Italian director:
And when during the conference the journalists ask the actors of the film if there is an Italian director or film that they know and admire, a flash of joy lights up her eyes. And she eagerly, almost blushing with shyness, says:
“I love Toby Dammit, from Fellini's Spirits of the Dead. And my outfit today pays homage to him."
Paul Giamatti shakes his head disconsolately: unfortunately he does not follow contemporary Italian cinema.
And the journalists nod in shock, as always, at the apparent irrelevance of our overseas cinema.
Toby Dammit, Fellini's chapter in the collective film freely inspired by the tales of Edgar Allan Poe, tells of an alcoholic English actor (played by Terence Stamp) who agrees to come to Italy to shoot a spaghetti western attracted by the Ferrari he is promised as a gift.
To the questions they ask him about cinema, entertainment, life, God or the Devil, he replies in an irreverent way with the melancholy that accompanies a certain truth in the background.
The same tone returns at times in Evan's answers, mitigated by the exuberance, by the madness of her youth, which has something wild and hides a hope that the irony of Seymour Hoffman and Paul Giamatti, in their answers, are unable to match.
It is not only her outfit that pays homage to Toby Dammit, it is her face and her gestures, her way of sitting, her familiarity with the clownish side of the show, which belongs to Fellini and seems to belong to her, perhaps because in this world she was raised. She is the daughter of actors-directors, a sister of actors-directors who grew up in the Theater in the Park, one of the most original theatrical work centers in America, and her family has broken down the difference between entertainment and life for her. It doesn't seem like she needed to struggle to break through the barrier that separates them. Hence perhaps her lightness.
And her apparent indifference to the tension of the Festival.
“The Venice Film Festival is my favorite,” she says...
Seymour and Giamatti abandon themselves on the back of the chair. The conference is over, they are happy, relieved, for a moment they look like their characters at the end of the film, emptied of illusions. Perhaps this film, or this conference, must have reminded them that cynicism in the battle of life, and of politics, is also that of cinema. Perhaps they wonder when they will return to having a starring role. But Evan no, although her end in the film is worse than theirs, and Toby Dammit's is no less, she leans forward, in the androgynous outfit that so remembers David Bowie and his elusive world. She seems to want to rise above the pettiness, the melancholy of the show, she says, "I always wait for the film that makes me dream, that gives me wings, that makes me feel something, something important."
The role of freedom and irreverence. The freedom of irreverence, which perhaps not even age can undermine. Nor the end of illusions. Irreverence as a powerful weapon against pain. Fellini's weapon. Also Edgar Allan Poe. Also Toby Dammit.
As I see it, I do think Evan is indeed sending a secret cryptic message to Marilyn Manson via the Toby Dammit references. Whether she will continue to do this, or has stopped, I don't know. But there are a few things I want to point out.
In the film, which is probably the best scene in the film, the actor Toby Dammit takes a bunch of questions from a female reporter, asking about his opinion on various matters. After this, Toby is approached by various beautiful women, attempting to use him to further their career. Then there comes one woman Toby focuses on, who promises him she will always love him. Whether this is said to further her career or not, we can only assume the answer.
If I were to see this through Evan's perspective, with Manson being an image of the title character Toby Dammit, I would see myself as that woman who expresses her promise of love till the end, which is something Manson has said about Evan saying to him in a number of interviews from 2007-09. I would also distinguish myself from the other women, who I would see as women who just wanted Manson to further their careers.
We then cut to the scene where Toby gets in his Ferrari, speeds through the streets of Rome, and comes to a dead end where the devil appears in the form of a young and innocent girl. However, this young and innocent girl with a sinister smile holding a white ball, also wears red nail polish, indicating that this sweet looking innocent girl is really Toby's image of a woman, and in reality woman is the devil. As Toby takes out his frustration on the devil girl that haunts him by attempting to run her over, we find out that the devil is luring him to his death, and the devil girl collects his decapitated head as if it were a toy or a prize.
Evan, based on her posts, seemingly interprets herself as the devil girl. Manson's revenge fantasy he expressed in interviews and art and music during The High End of Low era could be seen by Evan as his attempt of revenge on her. She has recently stated that she still listens to the album, especially the song "15", which she interprets as being about her. By posting these Toby Dammit references around key dates relating to the release of Phoenix Rising and the lawsuit, Evan could be viewing the release of Phoenix Rising as her own version of The High End of Low, her own revenge fantasy coming true. By using Toby Dammit to do this, it's as if she is striking at the very heart of Marilyn Manson, with something that is important to him.